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March 02, 2008

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alschmidt

I beg to differ: I don't think Ginsberg's "Howl" is self-absorbed or presumptuous. Ginsberg is describing/responding to experiences that greatly affected him (and his cohorts) personally, and these experiences are not particularly pleasant. My copy of "Howl" contains an introduction by William Carlos Williams (do you all have this edition?), in which Williams states that Ginsberg has "been through hell" and that the "howl" is one "of defeat" (7). I am of the mind that Ginsberg is not romanticizing or even advocating the behavior he describes, though some, perhaps many, have chosen to read him in that manner. The pot smoking/ jazz listening, the benzo-fueled cross country trips, the manic subway rides, and the naked ravings are pathetic reactions to a sense of helplessness or hopelessness. In other words, one would be hard-pressed to convince me that Ginsberg is in any way pleased that "minds" have been "destroyed by/ madness."

Indeed, the question to be asking is not whether these behaviors are commendable or condemnable, but why are people exhibiting these behaviors? All of the less than responsible behaviors Ginsberg portrays in section "I" of "Howl" lead up to section "II," which (especially since we just finished up with Eliot) incidentally reads, albeit in a different style, much like "The Wasteland." Rather than depicting the destruction that ensues after a world war, Ginsberg seems to be rallying against American capitalism in general (and Ginsberg's indictment of course travels beyond "Howl" into "A Supermarket in California," "Sunflower Sutra," and certainly into "America").

I am, of course, aware of the would-be-hipster high school, early undergraduate crowd, mentioned by Jack, that takes the work of Ginsberg (and Kerouac and Cassady, etc.) as the sanction for drug use and anything else that needs the label of anti-establishment to be "cool." However, I hope we can agree that this sort of interpretation of Ginsberg is a rather naive, superficial one (and one that I think fails to do the Beats justice). (Wow- that reads dangerously close to Hirsch's argument, and I am prepared to be chastised for it.)

As a critique of capitalism, I think Ginsberg continues to be relevant, but perhaps more importantly, there is a relevant lesson for present-day readers about what fails to affect lasting, substantial social change and why. The Beat Movement (and this is a bit of a paraphrase of Eldridge Cleaver- what?) was indeed the precursor to white (especially student) involvement in organized, political action for various causes of social justice. (Perhaps I shouldn't specify white, as I think, interestingly enough, Amiri Baraka got his "start" in Greenwich with some of the Beats.) At any rate, a number of young folks got turned onto the Beats's anti-establishment vibe, weren't satisfied by just sitting around in cold water flats feeding junk habits and complaining, and decided to go out and actually do something that would change the establishment(s) they were disatisfied with. This chain of events seems to me to be more than a "blip" in history, whether we characterize the social movements of the sixties and seventies as failures or as successes. I suppose what I'm getting at is the importance of an awareness that enables us either to repeat history or to not repeat history. On the one hand, minds being "destroyed by/ madness" ultimately served an admirable end; on the other, as an end in itself, such destruction is not useful or desirable. Either way, poems like Ginsberg's "Howl" helped put in motion a series of events (that I shudder to imagine the absence of) in U.S. history.

I suppose I'm finished defending Ginsberg's honor (for now, anyway)...

Margaret Poist

This was my first time reading “Howl.” Before this reading experience, the word itself harkened me back to an older line of poetry than the poem we’re talking about now; the word “howl”, in a literary sense, has long made me think of King Lear. To me, the words in the final scene of that play are some of the most beautifully written (that I have come across, yet), but it is their lack of poetic embellishment (in particular the words spoken by the old king) that wins them my favor. And, of course, that Lear’s miserable stumble through the wilderness has transformed his verbal faculties from refined and pompous court speech into animalistic (“Howl, howl, howl, howl”) and nihilistic (“Never, never, never, never, never”) rants makes their simplicity significant. To me, what makes that play great is that Shakespeare, though supernaturally in love with language and what it can do, acknowledges that for all of its force, the human vocabulary is a limited tool. Lear doesn’t die coughing up rich poetry, as some casualties of Shakespearean tragedy (Cleopatra, Hamlet, Othello, to name a few) have, instead he howls like an animal seeking its lost companions in the middle of the night.
Now, I don’t know if Ginsberg intended any reference or reverence to King Lear when he came up with the title for his verses, but certainly both poets, S. and G., must have had an interest in the connotations of that word. It is a word that mingles feelings of both loneliness and defeat. And though Lear literally screams “Howl” while Ginsberg named his whole work “Howl,” implying that all the words of the poem are the tiny vibrations that form one very long cry, the speakers in both these cases express a deep longing for something absent and probably lost. Interestingly, however, and as you bloggees out there in the ether are probably thinking right now, the similarities between the two basically end there: Lear is (was…whatever---it’s pretty grammatically confusing to talk in the same sentence about an actual literary character who will always live in the present and an actual historic person whose deeds have a particular place in the past) an established tyrant who falls from power, Ginsberg a rebel against the establishment who tried (tries) to detach from the society that he felt perpetuated a type of power similar to Lear’s. Lear’s howl is a sparse utterance of pain forsaking vocabulary, while Ginsberg’s is highly engaged with vocabulary, verbose to the point of (I think intentional) excess.
. So why am I comparing the poem to King Lear? To me, “howl” is the only word that really matters in it, and I think it matters in the same way that it matters in King Lear, both howls express the disappointment of watching one’s world view fade away. Certainly, aspects of the body of the poem strike me. Though I would tend to agree with Jack and have little patience for war stories about all the drugs somebody took in one night or in one decade, I do have a lot of patience for nonconformity. So when Ginsberg tells of a group throwing potato salad at CCNY lecturers on Dadaism I am delighted. I think this brand of nonconformity is in many ways rebellion at its best, nobody gets hurt, it’s pretty funny, you can usually wash potato salad out of your suit, and the usual modes of thought get knocked just a little bit more out of whack. It is certainly very experimental; the intended long-term goals of such a rebellion are pretty hazy (knock everybody off their game a little, make other people feel more free to express themselves, maybe someday we’ll be a liberated society if enough food gets thrown?) But I am of the thinking that maybe we’d be able to more effectively alter the rules and restriction that a society imposes upon its people if we question our agreement to obey even the most seemingly insignificant societal rules (like don’t throw potato salad at your lecturer.) I can see how Ginsberg and his cohorts thought it was worth a go. That they were so drug-addled through the experiment very well might have effected its outcome, though I think Amy is right that we feel many of its reverberations today. Perhaps this is what Ginsberg had to howl about: that he thought they were really onto something, but they got sidetracked.

sburris

For me, HOWL is difficult to love, but impossible to ignore, like an unruly child. In fact, the poem has the energy of a child, and I find that at times attractive, at other times, wearying. But like a child, the poem is correct in a kind of primal way. Life is more urgent, more sacred, more pressing than our country has allowed at times.

One of thes times was the Fifties. Or perhaps more accurately, Post-WWII. The images and ideas that come from the decade, spilling over in the early 60’s are definitive: smiling Ike, factory-working women during the war who had to give up their jobs to returning soldiers after the war, plastics, better living through modern chemistry, nuclear fission, nuclear family, suburbs, and outer space. And a host of other things as well.

Traditionally, America has been a difficult country to bully into conformity (now with the media’s omnipresence it’s much easier to do it, and conformity seems at times to be proceeding apace); in the Fifties, a dominant culture automatically insured a backlash of sorts, and a backlash of sorts was what the Fifties received: the Beats, jazz, early Civil Rights, Communists, labor unions, Zen, non-violent political groups, to name a few. A very few.

HOWL was among these. So I read “America,” for example, as an attempt to re-appropriate that myth by deflating that myth.

“America how can I write a holy litany in your silly mood?” It was a good question then, and it’s a good question now.

“America I’m putting my queer shoulder to the wheel.” It was the only answer then that Ginsberg could muster, and it’s a good answer now too. America’s defining characteristic is its difficult diversity . . . We pride ourselves on it at times, and at times do all we can to oppress it. It is during these times of oppression that a kind of dyspeptic feeling comes over us. The dominant voice of the country, however you identify it, however you hear it, seems less and less representative, more and more marginal. But marginal, of course, with power. And it is this nauseating combination, the marginal still retaining its relationship to power, that began to arise in the Fifties.

And so HOWL was born. I love the idea of the poem more than I love the poem. It cannot influence another poem without debilitating it, and its essential weakness is revealed by comparing it to its great progenitor, LEAVES OF GRASS. Whitman was, by admission, Ginsberg’s patron saint and if we want to talk about artistry—we are talking about poetry, after all—Ginsberg had a lot to learn from Whitman that he never really learned. I am thinking of craft, a concern whose obviousness in the work is not a reliable sign of the writer’s attention to it. (Many of Lowell’s late poem, for example, seem dashed off. They weren’t. That was an effect much labored after.) HOWL at times seems to me to ramble, not simply digress; to wander, not to explore; to scream, not to protest. Very seldom does Whitman relinquish control of his line, and I think that Ginsberg does that quite often.

Ginsberg’s artistic decisions have implications that I suspect he was fully aware of. If writers foreground their formal concerns—rhyme, meter, stanzaic regularity—their work will automatically fall into a tradition that more often than not has conservative implications. It’s a short step, if you wish to take it, from formal conservatism to cultural conservatism. And that wasn’t a step, obviously, that Ginsberg wanted to take.

Yet I can’t imagine the Fifties without Ginsberg anymore than I can imagine them without Jackson Pollock, a painter whose work at times suggest HOWL to me. The point is that HOWL is a hand grenade of sorts—it does its work and it does it efficiently.

And it’s not work that a culture can tolerate for long periods of time. But it is necessary to my mind.

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